KMZ/GPX Generation

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So I have been trying to figure out the rhyme/reason to what GPS data is logged and what is not. I decoded all the polylines from my export file and it seems like there isn't much consistency between trips. Some trips are 20 minutes and contain 10 coordinates, some are over an hour and contain only a few more. Generally, I can't figure out how you choose to keep the data you do, and the data I can pull isn't super useful (especially without time stamps)

I know you probably don't want to keep all this data on your servers (I don't blame you). But I think it would be useful (and satisfy a lot of other requests ie; black box, speed log, etc) if at the end of a trip a KMZ or GPX file could be created if the user wanted one. They are pretty simple to create and I'm certain the device has access to and stores all the data it needs to put one together already.

At the end of each trip, or whenever the Adapter syncs, the user can be asked if they want to keep the files. If not they are discarded, if so it prompts the user to store them somewhere (like local memory or Dropbox) the files are extremely small and would probably cut down the number of trips that could be stored on the Adapter by an acceptable percent, especial if your coordinate logging rate is low (1/min). If the device memory starts to fill up, then the oldest trips are deleted, easy peasy.

I have used a Bad Elf GPS Pro in tandem with my Automatic for this purpose since I purchased it. Might be worth looking into how they do it. Also I'm going to plug Bad Elf (http://bad-elf.com/products/be-gps-2200) they make awesome GPS loggers for driving, hiking, flying, boating, and all other types of general movement.
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Thanks for the idea, Unsantae. I'll pass this feedback along to our product team for their consideration. 

I'm not sure if this fits your needs, but you can use the 3rd party app TripViewer to export past driving driving data into a JSON file. Once you log into the app, click on "Export All" and then select "as JSON" from the dropdown menu.
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Tom,
 Thanks for the link to Trip Viewer. At first look it doesn't inspire too much confidence as it found about 30 more trips than the Dashboard can even export, the stats are WAY off, and the graphs don't seem to follow conventional rules. I'm much happier with my google sheet car log.
 Additionally, Trip Viewer doesn't export any more data than I get from the Dashboard. All it does is put the data into a slightly different format (JSON) or change some of the columns (CSV).
 I'm really looking for actionable GPS data (i.e. Timestamp + LAT + LONG). The polyline provides the coordinates, but unless all you are doing is plotting a line, those points don't tell you a whole lot.
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Hi Usantae, 

The discrepancies in trips that you are seeing are expected. Dashboard is currently running on v1 of our APIs which does not display trips in which your phone did not connect. We've always collected those trips, just did not show them until our v2 API for various reasons. The mobile apps and v2 API do show these trips.  And Dashboard will soon, with our next release.

Re getting GPS points, you're right a polyline is just a subsample of what's collected.  We don't offer raw GPS history over the API at this time.  It's good to hear you want it, that influences the future roadmap.  But it's not a nearterm plan.
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clarifying note:  the current model of showing trips (in the mobile app and API) is to include all trips which YOUR phone uploaded.  This does not include trips that other registered automatic users phone connected to and uploaded -- i.e. if you share a car with a spouse and both use automatic.
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Great to know.  Thanks for the information! I'll just keep on getting my GPS info from my Bad Elf for the time being.

But be warned... if my request (that isn't planned and was never promised) isn't implemented within some unreasonable timeframe that I will not specify at this point, I'm going to blow up this forum with justified anger the likes of which has never been seen.

Or perhaps I'll just realize you are busy with much more important things and leave it alone. I guess time will tell.

Cheers!
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My phone shows the trips my spouse takes with the car, as does the dashboard. It only seems to know that the car has gone somewhere.  That might be related to how I set up the accounts though. I think we both work on the same one since I don't really care about individual driving scores.
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Yep, you're right about the unified account. If that's how you're setup you'll naturally be combined in the data.  

We're working on a way for people to have their own accounts share trips with family members if they want to.
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This is exactly the question I was searching for before purchasing an Automatic - I like the idea of what the app and dongle currently do, but was hoping I could have Automatic automatically log GPS tracks for my driving trips and allow me to export them to GPX or KML files, which I currently manually use my Bad Elf GPS PRO+ for. I'll hold off on buying an Automatic for now until this feature is supported.
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I'd like to lobby for GPX export as well; indeed, the GPS was the reason for me upgrading to the v2 hardware, and that was primarily because I kind of assumed I would be able to export the GPX data (or at least KML, but would much prefer GPX).

My primary use case for wanting this data is for location-tagging photos. I often carry my DSLR with me, and—especially on road trips, but really anytime—it would be a huge help to be able to use the location data from my Automatic in my photo library. The photo library app I use makes it fairly easy to import a GPX file and from that to quickly associate locations with all of the photos falling within the time of the GPX track.

A secondary use case is much less vital, but really quite desirable to me: importing tracks into Fog of World, an iOS app that provides a cool visualization of the places I've traveled. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fog-of-world/id505367096?mt=8

Please consider adding Share Sheet support to the Automatic iOS app, so I can share the GPX directly to Fog of World, or to email or Dropbox for use with my photo library. (I realize there's limited storage space for these tracks, but letting the oldest auto-expire to free up space would be quite quite acceptable to me. If I try to share/access the GPX info and the app tells me "sorry, that was deleted due to lack of space", that seems entirely appropriate to me. (Assuming it's not inexplicably quick to delete them.)
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Thanks for chiming in, Andrew.
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Fog of World is one of the uses I'm looking to support as well. Thanks for the additional support!
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Same here! It will be really great if I can export the gps logs, so I can import them to Fog of World.
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Automatic cost money. So company should support its customers and be adaptable to there needs. Keeping records in convenient formats should be the must.
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There's a link now in Labs to "Trip Line Map" which shows exactly the information I want to export to Fog of World. Any way to get that out?
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Hi Kostia,

The only thing available along those lines would be exporting your data from the Web Dashboard, because it will include the path data, which you can decode using information from this post: https://community.automatic.com/automatic/topics/does-anyone-know-how-to-decode-the-path-from-an-exp...

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