Variant on Real-Time Data idea to replace the "Currently Driving" spinner

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I agree completely that the spinner and "Currently Driving" indicator is useless, even confusing.

Some would like to see Automatic replace it with a fully-featured OBDII diagnostic tool. That's fine, but I'm not interested in all that data - at least not most of the time.

Instead, I'd like to a mode where Automatic tells me more about what its doing with my car's data, with real-time feedback on the Automatic App/Link interactions as they are performed.

The Automatic app could show a "dashboard" like display with live indicators for Automatic-specific data like these *during* a trip:

- This trip's identifier/number (for later reference)
- App is connecting/connected to link
- App is recording/has completed recording trip data from link
- App can/cannot access the phone's GPS data
- Number of alerts observed so far this trip (braking, accellerating, top speed)

There are probably other app-specific data elements that would be useful to see, but these seem to me to be the minimal set.

Maybe this could be an alternative display from the more data intensive (and much harder to implement) OBDII diagnostic mode that others have suggested. I offer it as a stopgap mode to help the app display more real-time data, sooner.
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Other pretty basic things would be current and avg mpg for the current trip. I'm sure there's a pretty high priority to not include a lot of things that will make people want to fiddle around with their phones while they're driving, but it wouldn't take much to include those two numbers on a screen for the current trip. +1 for having more than just the spinner. Of course, I fully expect to have something much more satisfactory in version 1.0.
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Hi John,

Thanks for writing in. I noticed that you titled this topic "Variant of Real-time Data". Is there a reason why you started this as a separate topic from the "Real-time data" topic?

In the community, we prefer to have one discussion about any one idea so that it's easier for people to find information about any topic.

Thanks,
Nicole
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I dd so because the other discussion is oriented towards turning Automatic into a fll featured OBDII monitor, which I don't feel the need for.

I offered my ideas to help improve the apps feedback on its current operations and to make the data it exposes already from the car more inormative. I also think the ideas I offered are more quickly achievable, in a world of scarce resources.

Merge the 2 threads if it helps, that's fine.
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Hi John,

Thanks for writing back. I appreciate your perspective on why you decided to create a new topic. Thank you also for acknowledging how much work it is to do what other people are requesting.

I will leave this as a separate topic and pass it along to the rest of the Automatic team.

Thank you again for beta testing for Automatic.
- Nicole
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John, we really like your perspective on this request. Thanks so much for providing it!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Driving HUD.


My iPhone is mounted on a windshield mount while I'm driving so that I can use turn-by-turn navigation, have quick access to my music, etc.

It'd be neat if Automatic had a heads up display to show me information about my current session: how fast I'm going, a more precise fuel gauge, how long I've been driving, average speed, average MPG, etc.
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I agree with Dave. I bought automatic thinking it would show me real time stats. I hope you consider adding this, maybe even as an in app purchase. I would pay a few bucks for this kind of info.
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We're definitely developing the app in this direction. Exciting stuff to come!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
I would love to see a Nike+ esque view where I can see speed, MPG or other data points during my drive..


I would just like to see visually when I was using a ton of gas so I can learn better driving habits. But I wonder if performance-junkies might like to see other stats.

(Nike+ features a visual representation of the path of a run, but is different shades based on your speed. Red areas is sprinting, green is jogging, etc.)
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Thanks for the suggestion, Dominic. We are planning some real time data features as you're driving.
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That's awesome! But I really meant more after the fact. I don't need any more distractions while I'm driving. :)
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Oh, well we're definitely planning for a lot more after-the-fact data! We agree on the distraction issue so we're thinking that part through very carefully.
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While I like the idea of more date during driving, I also consider the safety implication. In a way I thought the minimal app information during driving was intentional so that the app would be more a background process and discourage drivers from looking at the phone screen, which is even illegal in some states.

Having said that, I think it'd be good to have more live data visualization as an option which you'll get safety warning to activate. Post-drive visualization however could go all the way to 11, and I know I'll be spending hours studying my own driving. Dragging along the timeline to see my location on the road plus speed, RPM, MPG and other stats on app and on the web.
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Totally agree, Euisung. We've had a lot of internal discussion about the safety hazard of giving users too much too look at while they're driving. We're definitely going to tread very carefully with regard to that. And yes, the current "currently driving" was partially due to our intention of not wanting to provide a visual distraction while users are driving. However, we understand that only displaying the "currently driving" message is underwhelming and there's certainly room for improvement.

We agree on post-drive visualization too! So much cool stuff coming down the road. (no pun intended ;)
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How about a heads up type option.
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What do you mean, Jeff? Can you clarify? Thanks!
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Sure. I have another app on my phone that acts like a heads up display. It prints reversed is when you lay it up in the dash it reflects on the windshield so you can read it. Some high end cars already have this as an option.
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Ah. I hadn't heard of that before. Thanks for the clarification. I'll mention it to the product team.
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I would love this because If I could see real time gas mileage and I could adjust my driving habits. I have another diagnostic dongle that I can attach to a PC, but that is cumbersome to use all the time. I'm looking forward to all your improvements. Keep up the great work.
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Thanks, Jeff! :)
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Suggestion for a way to implement live feedback during driving, without killing anyone in the process:

A simple color bar, or other graphical device, that changes color depending on what the driver is doing at that particular moment.

So if the driver is accelerating really hard, turn the bar red, if the driver is doing something that is causing greater fuel efficiency, turn the bar green.

It seems like this could lend itself to a fairly nuanced visualization of complex data without introducing a complex distracting visual. You could transition the color of the bar slowly between the green and red extremes creating other colors in between to give live feedback of all of the behaviors between the two extremes. Or you could use brightness values or color saturation.

This could satisfy all the folks who want a more nuanced view of the data and the live feedback would be a great tool to start to learn how to modify your behavior I think some cars actually build something along these lines into their dashboards. I believe the Honda CRV has it?

And while you're at it build something into the interface that learns how I typically drive and tells me if I'm driving more aggressively than I normally do ;)

You guys certainly have a hold of something with lots of potential. Just don't go making it too complex. Take your time and implement features that matter. I have a fancy OBDII reader that tells me everything from barometric pressure to the temp of my catalyst. It was fun for about a month. This seems like it could be useful for years since it works with the device I will always have on me.

jm
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Thanks so much, Jason. We agree with your perspective and appreciate your encouragement to take our time and do this right. :)
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Real time telemetry/instrumentation dashboards.


I would like to see things like speedometer, engine speed, gas usage, other realtime engine statistics in the Automatic app. This feature will appeal to lots of car enthusiasts. If you think this is not a priority, you may want to expose an API to the ODB adapter, so that third party developers can write apps to display such data.
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Thanks, Bruce. As you can see from this topic, we're planning to bring more features like this into the app! :)
Also, you may want to chime in on this Idea topic about an API.
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Perhaps the best way to resolve the conflict of interests between those who want a KISS device and those who want to read all possible data the OBD2 port can access is to design the software with a GUI preferences setting page so a driver can decide which data are important to him or her and which data are not.
This is what I would like to see in version 2.0 sometime soon, along with metric and imperial units settings.
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Thanks, Robert. 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Current fuel charge.


Hi. It will be nice if application will show in live current gas charging. It will be helpfully for me. I have manual transmission car, and current charging indication will help me chose more economy driving .
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Real Time Data.


Does the API allow for getting real time data from Automatic? Can i display the current speed/rpm/fuel gauge etc? If not, is there plan to support this kind of data?
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I would recommend checking out our API documentation for more specifics about what we can and cannot offer at this time. We definitely plan to support more real time data in the future rather than just beeping at you. :) Stay tuned!
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I sure hope so. I confess that I didn't check out the reviews thoroughly before making my purchase. When I started it up this morning, I was sure there was something wrong. Real time stats are the only reason I bought it, so I felt I had wasted my money. I'll hang in there for a bit to see what you have coming.
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I wish V2.0 with RTD would happen soon. It's been a long year since I got the dongle without the RTD I thought I was getting when I bought it.
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The only reason I bought this was because I believed (wrongful so, apparently) that real time data was included. Until it is included, I will feel that I have wasted my money.

Highest priority for me is current miles per gallon. Everything else is secondary.
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Thanks for your feedback, David. I'm sorry you're not finding value in the other features of Automatic. We’ll be sure to update the community when real time data becomes available.
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When you finally do RTD, could you design a settings page so that the driver chooses the main (say two or three) display items?
For some, the current driving score might be first choice, for others it might be the the current mpg (km/l), and for others perhaps the rpm, etc.
With a bit of careful software GUI design, you could come up with a main screen that each user can tailor to his or her specific needs rather than the one-size-fits-all approach now being used.
Also, this design would minimise any compromised driving safety thru having too much data on-screen.
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Hi Robert. Great points, thanks for the feedback. I'll be sure to share this with the design team.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Access other vehicle sensors?.


I currently use other bluetooth dongles that give me real time data. I saw another thread about real time but it was closed. I'm mostly interested because my car does not have a temperature gauge, only a hidden one that I have to go thru a lot of menus to access, and it WILL let me know if it gets too hot. But by that time, there will be engine damage. I would LOVE for the app to have access to these type of sensors and allow me to set a temperature threshold so the phone will alert me when the cars coolant reaches a predetermined temperature, and if able, gauges which can be accessed in the app.
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Hi Jean! I merged your idea with this related discussion on real time data options. We're planning to implement real time data features in the future, and we'll keep your request in mind :)
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
9 (yes 9) months ago your lead developer said on this forum that Real Time Data was on the roadmap for development. What happened?.


A lot of us are still waiting, but after 9 months this is beginning to feel like vaporware.
I am close to the point of ebaying my hardware.
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Hi there Robert! Real time data is being worked on as we speak :) We understand your frustration with the long wait, but we’re putting a lot of thought and research into this feature. Depending on who you ask, real time data can mean a lot of different things, and we want to make sure that our implementation is well suited. 

Our team has also been growing a lot which is great news. As we bring on more resources, feature development will continue at an even faster pace. 
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How about a screenshot to give us a hint?

Might help to have some feedback this time around from your customers this time...
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Unfortunately, I can't provide a screenshot, but we greatly depend upon user feedback. In addition to reviewing community discussions such as this one, our team regularly reaches out to users when conducting research for new features and functionalities. We also have an Alpha testers group. 

And on that note, keep the ideas coming!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Does Automatic have plans to support gauges anytime soon? Like boost, oil temp, etc...


I think Automatic would greatly benefit in terms of sales and popularity among the car geeks if it offered gauges onto the iPhone. This would help those with broken or inacurate gauges, people who want more info on their engine or just car nuts who want to show off the boost they're running.

Is this a possibility? Are 0-60runs, quarter mile and top speed runs something we can expect in the future?
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Hi Sebastian. I merged your idea with a related discussion on real time data. We are planning to implement some instances of RTD into the app (it's being worked on right now), but there’s no ETA at the moment. See above posts for more details.

As for broken or inaccurate gauges, check out this topic. The app reads data from the OBD-II port, so if your vehicle's fuel sensors are faulty and reporting inaccurate data, Automatic will also receive and report this inaccurate data as well.

I'll also pass along your idea on feedback regarding runs. Thanks!

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